169. Ari Ben-Menashe: Intelligence Agencies Create Narratives (Will There Be Peace in the Middle East?)

TrineDay’s The Journey Podcast 169
Ari Ben-Menashe
Intelligence Agencies Create Narratives (Will There Be Peace in the Middle East?)

Summary and paraphrasing:

Kris wanted to talk about intelligence work and geopolitics. His father had been in intelligence (the CIA) and he told Kris some things. Kris had to read a lot of books about intelligence to understand what he had been told.

Kris: We’re doing a book right now called TWO WORLD WARS AND HITLER: Who was Responsible? Its main idea is that Britain was very concerned about Germany and Russia getting together, because then they could control the heartland [of central Asia] and then they could quote-unquote control the world. So, in the late 1800s, Britain started laying a path toward World War I. Then once in the war, they prolonged it. Americans and British and other people shipped foodstuffs to keep the German army going so the war could continue to last.

After the war, they got Germany into such a state that they signed a piece of paper saying that they were responsible for the war. And when you really look at it, [you find that is not true]. Then we manipulated the economy and sent in agents to raise up Hitler so that they could have a second war. Is that true, Ari, to your understanding?

Ari: Yeah. The British probably did that. Yes. After the first World War, they helped a lady named Rosa Luxemburg take over Germany, and she singlehandedly destroyed the economy. When an extreme lefty takes over, the next thing is that a real rightwing fascist Nazi will take over because that’s what the people will want. From one extreme to the other.

Kris: Right.

Ari: And she was Jewish. So, when Hitler’s regime takes over, they all hated Jews. And the communist revolution in Russia was also Jewish people. [Helped with money from non-Jews.] So, the troubles of the world could be blamed on the Jews. That’s how World War 2 started. And Hitler was going to go after the Russians. But he was willing to deal with them, and tried to do regime change, and shared Poland with them. And that really scared the Brits. Yes, the Brits instigated the two world wars.

Kris: When I look at intelligence deeply, really what I see is the creation of narratives.

Ari: Absolutely right.

Kris: The creation of the mega-narratives to influence history, you might say. For instance, my father told me, “The Vietnam War is about drugs. There are these secret societies behind it. And communism is all a sham. These same secret societies are behind it all. It’s all a big game.” I thought he was nuts. But he wasn’t. He’d been branch chief, head of the East Asia Analysis Office for the CIA, among other things.

OPIUM, EMPIRE AND THE GLOBAL POLITICAL ECONOMY by Dr. Carl Trocki basically says, whoever controls the opium trade in a country, since the 1800s, controls that country’s economy. With that huge pile of money, they corrupt things, so we don’t really live in a “real” world. We live in a manufactured world [of the narratives they give us].

For instance, people tell me that Richard Nixon [accelerated up the ladder of success] by blackmailing the Dulles brothers after World War 2. He found that they were bringing many, maybe thousands, of Nazis here against President Truman’s direct written orders. Nixon goes from being a representative in ’46, to the Senate in ‘50, to vice president in 1952. They used Nixon then in this big drama they create for the American people. It’s quite a mess, really.

Ari: Intelligence agencies create narratives for their political masters. For instance, they created a narrative that Assad in Syria was a monster, murdering his own people, in order to get rid of him. Now the people that took over Syria are considered peaceniks. Wonderful people. But remember who they are. They are al Qaeda people. We didn’t like al Qaeda. Now we love them. You asked about narratives in intelligence. There we go. There we are.